The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. But breaking news here, skippy. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Manual safeties on pistols, hammer and striker fired systems were found necessary as far back as 1900. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. But now, P320 is the subject. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. JTF-2 is the only unit in. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Dont care for them, not my jam. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. D. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? Where is this lightning striking twice? This gun had been voluntary upgraded. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. Ron, Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. (a) A person commits an offense if the person recklessly discharges a firearm inside the corporate limits of a municipality having a population of 100,000 or more. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. Great job, this threat needed some levity! Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. 2. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. Im a Kirk guy, a Shatner Kirk guy. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. The settlement requires the gunmaker to reimburse owners of . I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. . He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Nope. So are dumb(or arrogant) cops. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. But that's not working in the P320, he said. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. He probably had a double until it was over. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. He points to it in the video. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. Was it his fault? I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. in Capitalvania. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. First off, no joke on me. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. ALL OF THEM. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. BAM. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. But Shatner? You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Thats SIGs term for a recall. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. Grow up, you aint all that! Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. As they should. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! That could happen easily. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. . They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. LOL! Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). . Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. Either the gun is defective or its not. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. Liberal, Conservative. LOL! Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. A fine of up to $10,000. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. The new Kirk does suck. Thats fine.