God does not lead His children by rules. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. Omissions? Pastors Deserve Double Salary? Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. You seems to be as blind as the Pharisees. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. The cause is clear. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. Generally speaking, to be Reformed means to have one's roots in the Protestant Reformation of the 16th and 17th centuries. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. The person, John the Baptist. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. To hold to the secessionist position takes the authority away from the New Testament and places it in the hands of man. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. Also, I support tithing personally. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. 2 talking about this. Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. It became an independent church in 1746. Hello, A couple of things. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Overview of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination, A Brief Survey Of Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches: What They are and What is Their History. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. Sure enough, Stedfast Baptist Church, founded in 2017, is not a large or well-known church. Theres no recourse. I am having a hard time figuring you out. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) I personally do not think tithing is wrong, When Jesus refers to tithing didnt He uphold it & only objected to other sins but did not speak aganist it. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. [CDATA[ Such as The Church of Christ? The loved me and cared for my" Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. . Select worship style. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. p.s. We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). He is light years away from the legalism of the last church, but holds tightly to the KJV (too tightly I think) but is not fanatical like the last pastor. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. Sir, As far as I recall no church ever told me must. You dont study enough. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Not just the New Testament. Using the KJV only is not the problem. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. p.s. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. Hi Ahlayashabi Please forgive us if we have offended you in any way. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. Lynne, You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Hope youll check it out. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. preaching from the Old King James Bible that you "must be born again" and "Jesus and the Bible come first". Follow us on Pinterest: Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. The business is listed under baptist church category. Thanks and may God bless. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. . I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. Its nothing personal, just logic. Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. than we pray that they will get right with God One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. I would agree with this. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Henry Jacob. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. KJV Church Directory. this is a great book research on cultist church (See also Gal. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. (P.S. Gossips offer plausible deniability. This site and others consistently speak about folks that follow and uplift man, in my faith I want only to lift up the God-man!! One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. Pedophiles hide in dark corners. Any church fellowship that encourages avoiding another Christian denomination/fellowship, even if they uphold & believe these, b/c they are not of the same denomination are in gross error & a cult. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in certain religious doctrines and a shared brand of deeply anti-LGBTQ and antisemitic teachings. He is much better at it than we are. If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. If other will share. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing.