If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. September 2015 S.W.A.T. NULLI SECUNDUS. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. 38 Special 158gr. JHP Load? | Glock Talk Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. I have done it with 38 special and 44 Mag, only to have a lead coated bore that looked like a rusty old drain pipe. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. I found some data for 148 and 158 gr bullets but no published data on the 125s. THAT TIME IS BETTER SPENT LEARNING HOW TO SHOOT THE REVOLVER IN THE RAPID FIRE PORTION. In a 1909 vintage Smith & Wesson target .38, the 2.7-grain load cut a nearly one-inch cluster, showing that classics go well together. They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. (Inceptor) Diameter: 0.357" Powder: CFE Pistol (Hodgdon) Primer: WIN WSP Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.145" C.O.L. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. DISTINGUISHED LOADS SUCK - Distinguished Revolver loads that don't suck? Tim: The Lyman 49th edition lists the accuracy loads for their cast bullets. The instructors worked magic in many cases, but having a load like this to gradually work shooters onto full-strength loads would have been a great tool. Reloading Data .38 Special (Alliant Data) Metallic - Load Data I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! Bought my small handed wife a 642. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. Robert Frost. Nothing, they dont need any. 5 are good choices. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. The load is a great learning tool in .45 for beginner and experienced alike. Have you all found different seat depths to work better than what's in the manual? [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. As an old bullseye guy I've stuck with Bullseye powder for almost 30yearsusing lead bullets. I may have to rethink my plan. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. These types of guns are not as strong as more modern solid frame revolvers. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 I first started reloading 40+ years ago at a Lee Loader in .38 Special for a brand new Smith & Wesson Model 66 I had just purchased. Wadcutters are tailor made for lightweight snubbie practice, allowing shooters to enjoy shooting the pocket guns. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Not as easy to find brass these days as it is not the most popular round anymore. 125 gr plated or 125 gr lead RN. For example, a Glock 17 shot the HAP into 1.35 inches and the FMJ into 2.2 inches at 25 yards. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special - Forums Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. I'm new to reloading, starting off with a single stage Lee press reloading .38 special and .357 magnum with Lee's 4 die carbide set. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. I carry 38 /357 every day have used them in real world shootings. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. Thats not quite how that works. Most starting .357 reloading powder levels will fall in this .38 +P+ type reload, and the powder being used can be selected (faster or slower) based on barrel length. WC, 158 gr. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. Data will be standard "book" .38 Special data and I'll not attempt to "hotrod" the loads. My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. Starting being near 3gr - ish. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I use 158 grain coated RNFP and don't use any of those powders that you list. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! The flyers tend to be severe. Go figure. WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. Coming in 30 grains lighter and 80 fps slower than hardball, as well as being lead rather than jacketed, the 200/4.6 SWC is amazingly soft. .38 Special: What Ive Learned After 20,000 Rounds, Stacey Abrams Whopper: No one believes in eroding the Second Amendment, Scottsdale Home Owner Uses Shotgun to Stop Naked Home Invader Caught in His Childs Room [VIDEO], Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. CorBon Self Defense, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Jacketed Hollow Point, +P, 20 Round Box 38125 I have one that has been loaded about sixty times and it is still in use today. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. Shot placement is just as important if not more. This is my plink load for the kids. Just look for a lead remover tool with bronze screens. My brother put CT laser grips on his wifes M36. Therefore, your platform yields a lot of safety cushion with target loads. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. The mention of a Lee Loader somewhere above took me back to the good-old days. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. I have loaded wadcutters for plinking , Double end 148 grain,, mixed brass over 2.7 gn WST or Bullseye. Seems like everyone is all orgasmic about bigger, faster, more of, etc. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. Hornady (bullseyeforum.net). And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. Javascript is required. A Tyler T grip would have helped here, but is incompatible w/ factory grips. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. I am aware of the plated bullet limitations on BE accuracy and am more interested in them for their "plinkability". Very versatile cartridge. 38 special load question - Bullseye Forum Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? I can not be held responsible for. Hence the lack of load data from just about anybody. .38 Special +P Load Data - PowderThrough Yeah no. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. butt 686 shipped w/ Hogue monogrips, discarded immediately due to pronounced finger grooves. The beauty of shooting a .38 is that you can easily practice at the ranges youd fight at using basically any cheap bullet at minimal expense. would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. Ammunition is available everywhere handguns are legal. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. You are being redirected - Shooters' Forum .38 Special Bullseye/148gr Berrys wadcutter???? - 24hourcampfire Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. I have found that some powder coated bullets which are the same weight as lead, feel quite punchy out of the gun. Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved ! In my time with the cartridge, I have come to appreciate the mid to low end of the power spectrum and thus have made extensive use of Trail Boss powder and bullets such as Hornadys .358 158gr SWC. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. RN, 160 gr. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. Content . LRNFP - your load, with a plated bullet should be Very Similar, or slightly slower and safer. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. Try. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. I almost spit out my drink when I read your comment. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. 6.) Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. 5.0 gr unique with berry's 125gr = .38 Special squibs (solved - AR-15 Like both the .38 and the .44 spl. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? The load you use will be up to your gun. If all you practice with is the easy comfortable stuff, its not really practice. Read my very long thread about "DR loads that don't suck". Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. Reducing consumables (and therefore cost) that much more is definitely appealing to me. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. But for plinking, they'd be fine. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. Main issue is that the .44 spl. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. IF YOU ARE USING SWAGED 158GR BULLETS 3.1 WILL WORK, IF USING HARD CAST 3.3 IS NEEDED. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. Shoot cast and coated bullets and you can go much higher in load and velocity. Any discussion of Bullseye is incomplete without mentioning a few of the downsides. With a charge of only 3.1 grains of Winchester 231 powder, velocities run around 750 to 800 fps with good accuracy and mild recoil. In a nutshell & I mean very short version. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. Reloading supplies and load recipes are available everywhere. Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. WITH THE SWAGED BULLETS REDDING SELLS A PROFILE CRIMP DIE. Main fame for the .38 is now the J frame size revolvers, as a CCW gun. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. Good point Len. I am way shy of 70 years old and I love me some .38 Special. Now theres an old memory. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. 2.7 gr. The .44 spl. If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. There are many fun uses for buckshot. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. hebyta Maybe its just my age, but I may never shoot a 38 again after discovering the 32. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. My J frame S&Ws are all older models, and came with the small grips that are still on some models. Click there and go to the load data lookup section . Thanks very much to LarryinTX for that! Use data for weight. So . i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Cartridge : .38 Special (SAAMI)Bullet : .357, 125, FP Rainier Useable Case Capaci: 20.320 grain H2O = 1.319 cm Cartridge O.A.L. Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. favorite 38 Special handloads - 24hourcampfire Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. Your previous content has been restored. But this piece isnt about the gun, but rather the cartridge. .38 J frame.) I guess its out of production now- I havent seen it (or heard of it) in years. It is easy to load in progressive presses and has commercially available options from virtually all modern manufacturers. Unique was a sooty powder so Ive switched to W231. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. This too is useful information. Bullseye is a little smoky, a lot sooty, and has a distinct odor. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). ), I very much wanted to start with some tried-and-true Bullseye loads, but it took an epic scavenger hunt across many months to find a canister of the elusive classic. My experience has always been with bullseye powder. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. 38 Special Loadings | Ruger Forum I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. Dont know where #1 Buckshot can be found, but the Speer shot cups and UNIQUE powder currently easy enough to find. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. I had enough, The Model 1911 pistol will officially turn 100 years old on May 5, 2011. Ok, will the bullet easily pass thru the cylinder throat, if so, you need the next larger size bullet dia. Bullet seating depth is very forgiving. Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. 7, No. 110gr JHP! Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. By revolver, with a 3 barrel, and 4 6 oz. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. I have a few 30-30 cases modified to shoot singles with a very light load. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. They are low because of swaged bullets. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. And, oh yeah. 2.7 GR WST IS TOO LIGHT FOR THE 50 YD LINE. 2 and No. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. Pasted as rich text. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. 01-10-2014, 06:49 PM #4. dverna. In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. 110gr JHP! Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). 38 Special Load Data.. - Intoku.net - YUMPU You have never indicated what barrel length or brand or frame size you may be using these in. head I use 3.2gr. My hand ached for a week. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. The .38 ammo is more common to find than the .44 ammo, so that is a big reason to reload the .44. Where many shooters quickly tire of even standard-pressure .38 in the little five-shooters, the wadcutter invites cylinder after cylinder of practice. But its also worth considering that its pushing the same size and weight projectile at the same velocity as the standard Army revolver load during the Civil War. What I learned after 50 years of shooting and reloading 38spl cases some where around 100 thousands rounds. Maybe its just me, but having that tiny bit of extra length and weight in the cylinder that I was never going to use just kinda bothered me. Hmm. I started reloading 38 special as my first cartridge 8 years ago when I was 22, soooo.I have an old mans soul? I like Bullseye in the 38 Special, and it was a consistent performer with the 125 grain bullets. However, after consulting my several different manuals, 3.5 seems to be a border line max load. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. Great gun. I.E. As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. I will always love the 38 SPL (never cared much for 357 Mag), but that 3 seven shot Charter with both 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R Mag is truly the bees knees. 4.) 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. Load data to make power factor 38 special - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. The mild recoil of the mid-range load is a perfect mate to the .38s that most shooters own these daysthe airweight J-Frame or equivalent. You are absolutely correct. Don't know of any bullets like that. Taurus model 66 38 special/Bullseye/125 berry's bullets load test Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. Minnesota. The other .38 Special is a 4 Colt Diamondback. Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide
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