Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Thank you. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. And the cougar embodies that. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. What's going on. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. On a dirt road. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Patrick Tate: Well. Just. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. They just end up in these places. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Infinite Scroll Enabled. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. Thank you. Right. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. Let's look for other evidence. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Well I can't tell you what you saw. I tracked cats and all the western states. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Here it is. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Let us know your story and share your photos. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. That's pretty elaborate. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Peter Biello: Hmm. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. It's listed as population of least concern. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. Well thanks for sharing. Peter Biello: Ok. Does not test random Scouts. Well within there. While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! There's no attraction. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Gap Mountain Lions Club Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. So one thing I'll add. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Select image for larger view. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Pelosi story here we go. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Mountain Lions in New England: Sightings, Science & Bobcat vs Mountain Lion People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. John is calling from Bennington. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. They sent it already. No I saw a camel. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Peter Biello: Let's talk to Ron and where Ron thanks very much for calling. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Think you've seen a mountain lion? It's good to talk to you. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. I'm Peter B yellow. I found a second scat scent both to him. N.H. The trouble with accepting every reported sighting as a confirmed mountain lion is that there are so many mistaken identifications. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Mike you're on the air. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Part II. Thank you very much for listening. You don't know what's going on. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. And why would they what. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Mountain lions live in the state. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Have a photo. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction - YouTube The report came in from a conservation officer. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. They are the same thing. Caller: Yeah. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Part II. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. So now what's going on. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. And you know all that. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. 1957. Thanks for calling. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. You saw what you saw. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. It's bigger but bigger and better world. And those are not the same things. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Can you look into this picture. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . They kill big animals. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. 1957. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. New Hampshire Public Radio | Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Or years or so. 44-N Links. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. I mean they're a survivor. Really appreciate it. 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't.